i seem to remember Sylvestor mcoy as one of the darker Dr (well as dark as a children program of that time could be) his first season was light weight i give u that but season 2 and 3 are cracker shows
It's Doctor Who series 8 Timey Wimey.
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i seem to remember Sylvestor mcoy as one of the darker Dr (well as dark as a children program of that time could be) his first season was light weight i give u that but season 2 and 3 are cracker shows
Swither
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I'll take ur word for that Btone seeing as I never watched many with him in.
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Brilliant episode. Love that they are exploring the relationship between the Doctor and his Companions. In the past, the Companion would just leave and a new one would show up without much preamble but I really like the probing in to the dynamic of what the Doctor gets out of the situation and what the Companions take from it. Love that George Weasley is in it too.
Janie
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I think if you think about the plot to much you may find some holes, and some jumps in logic or lore of what we know of the angels - and despict calling it earlier in this thread I think using the Statue of Liberty as an angel may have been a wow moment on paper, but seemed silly on screen.....
.....but ohmygawd what a powerful ending for the Ponds - I don't mind admitting my eyes got a little teary.
First class acting from everybody involved and aside from the few quibbles in the script (surely its time to give a full hour to each episode now) I loved it.
.....but ohmygawd what a powerful ending for the Ponds - I don't mind admitting my eyes got a little teary.
First class acting from everybody involved and aside from the few quibbles in the script (surely its time to give a full hour to each episode now) I loved it.
Zeus
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angel of liberty... meh, pointless, and doesnt even make sense (how could one that size move through manhatten, the city that never sleeps apparently, without anyone seeing it? i wont even start with my general issue of 'why does looking at them stop them moving, but observing them in other ways doesnt?'...)
rest of episode - pretty good. but proving that time can be changed (as they did at the end with the gravestone) kinda invalidates it all doesnt it? why didnt the doctor just say 'ok, go back in time, and both of you go stand in x field on x night, and i'll pick you up.'? hell, the gravestone doesnt even prove that that DOESNT happen, surely? having the gravestone as the evidence that makes the doctor KNOW he cant go back and save them just made no sense to me...
rest of episode - pretty good. but proving that time can be changed (as they did at the end with the gravestone) kinda invalidates it all doesnt it? why didnt the doctor just say 'ok, go back in time, and both of you go stand in x field on x night, and i'll pick you up.'? hell, the gravestone doesnt even prove that that DOESNT happen, surely? having the gravestone as the evidence that makes the doctor KNOW he cant go back and save them just made no sense to me...
because there 2 types of time, normall time what the dr can mess with and fixed time that he cant, when the ponds went back via the angle there timeline became a fixed point in time so the dr cant mess with them
HOWEVER
why can riversong mess with them (send them the book)
HOWEVER
why can riversong mess with them (send them the book)
Janie
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Because River giving Amy the book was part of the fixed timeline. In essence the book was telling the fixed timeline, the final page was already written when the Doctor ripped it out at the start.
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Sheleph
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I'm sold on the Doctor exploring all time and space, but as a plot device there needs to be "fixed time" or else a time traveller could always, always go back and fix everything. A story can't work like that, so I suffer the notion there's "fixed time" in order to avoid endless deus ex machina moments of the Doctor going back and saving the day, repeatedly, yet again.
Having it spelled out as a "fixed time" moment was necessary, so we know it's real and permanent and not just a cliff hanger, with us seeing 'em back to normal in the next episode.
The Weeping Angels are proper scary, I was sighing that they'd been brought back (after last time's weak storyline over 2 whole episodes) but I liked it. Rather a lot. Man, Moffat can write . . .
. . . and as an end for his companions, for them to be happy, together, and share that with him, it was a pleasing resolution to writing them out. Amy's summary of all she did really had me going, too. A moving and well executed farewell.
Having it spelled out as a "fixed time" moment was necessary, so we know it's real and permanent and not just a cliff hanger, with us seeing 'em back to normal in the next episode.
The Weeping Angels are proper scary, I was sighing that they'd been brought back (after last time's weak storyline over 2 whole episodes) but I liked it. Rather a lot. Man, Moffat can write . . .
. . . and as an end for his companions, for them to be happy, together, and share that with him, it was a pleasing resolution to writing them out. Amy's summary of all she did really had me going, too. A moving and well executed farewell.
Zeus
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Ah k, I thought they were saying he couldn't go back because, essentially, new York was already too fucked up, timeline wise, for him to risk. Why does her going back make it (her entire life) a fixed point, but Rory going back didn't?
Zeus
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i wasnt keen on the christmas special... it was alright, but i felt that with a little more effort it would've been a lot better! having the snowmen be a bit less... comedic... wouldve been a good start.
the parents didnt like his potato man security/soldier guy, and to a lesser extent the lizard woman, suddenly showing up - but personally, i've always wondered why he *wouldnt* have some heavily armed, expendable, security along, given how often it'd be useful, (ie. every. single. episode.) so it was fine for me
the parents didnt like his potato man security/soldier guy, and to a lesser extent the lizard woman, suddenly showing up - but personally, i've always wondered why he *wouldnt* have some heavily armed, expendable, security along, given how often it'd be useful, (ie. every. single. episode.) so it was fine for me