Wii Console
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It's a little early though isn't it ? I know someone copied a disc (which took 28 hours to do though due to the way it has to be done). Dunno as unlike other console firmware can be patched on the fly I'd wait and see if suddenly all hacked consoles suddenly brick in the next update, I'm sure Nintendo can do something with the OS to check for the existance of such a thing. Gonna be a risky business this generation I think.
I hope Nintendo, MS and Sony beat the console piracy this time around. (does the 360 get firmware updates sent to it ?)
I hope Nintendo, MS and Sony beat the console piracy this time around. (does the 360 get firmware updates sent to it ?)
Flight
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Packages in stock here and now , but wont last long mate.
Those are just greedy people that baught them and then sell them on for a profit. The normal web site lists them as out of stock and only 199
http://www.simplygames.com/pf/WII/consoles
I think even 199 is expensive as Amazon was selling them for 170 before they sold out in 7 mins or whatever.
http://www.simplygames.com/pf/WII/consoles
I think even 199 is expensive as Amazon was selling them for 170 before they sold out in 7 mins or whatever.
From the Wii emulation community I read that site most days for the DS homebrew bits and wii news, wraggster who I think is the owner or admin seems to know his stuff (I've never modded a console), so if he thinks you should wait it may be worth holding off.
It was also interesting to hear he also seems to suggest it'll be possible for Nintendo to render the modchip useless with a firmware update which I think is the main reason he thinks it's worth hanging fire at the moment (and it doesn't allow you to play other regions games)
Oh and unless things have moved on to "backup" a wii disc you still need a certain drive make and type for the PC and 50 hours to do it, my original source of 28 hours seems bogus as everywhere is now saying 50 hours.
It was also interesting to hear he also seems to suggest it'll be possible for Nintendo to render the modchip useless with a firmware update which I think is the main reason he thinks it's worth hanging fire at the moment (and it doesn't allow you to play other regions games)
Oh and unless things have moved on to "backup" a wii disc you still need a certain drive make and type for the PC and 50 hours to do it, my original source of 28 hours seems bogus as everywhere is now saying 50 hours.
MorgyN
Wearing pants, reluctantly.
the 28 hours is to read a disk, to write takes the normal time.
And this firmware scare is what they said about every mod in the last 10 years, they never work. The reason the wiinja doesn't do imports is to stop the firmware from detecting. I've owned every console since the MD/Snes days and everyones modded (cept the n64, which I never saw the point in) when the wii gets some good games, I might get one to mod. I see little point in getting another gamecube with a slightly different controller.
And this firmware scare is what they said about every mod in the last 10 years, they never work. The reason the wiinja doesn't do imports is to stop the firmware from detecting. I've owned every console since the MD/Snes days and everyones modded (cept the n64, which I never saw the point in) when the wii gets some good games, I might get one to mod. I see little point in getting another gamecube with a slightly different controller.
Dunno, just going of what the modders say, there is now a chip which can be flash updated which seems to be what people are more keen on but as for firmware scare I heard 360's were bricked (though good old MS bricked some non modded one's as well 
) so I see no reason it isn't possible, unless those crystal ball users are 100% sure it can't be detected by Nintendo I'm happy to just sit and watch what happens
And it is a Gamecube, the security on it is nigh on identical (unless you count changing a password from uppercase to lowercase)
I would though say "slightly different" is a stretch
Oh and BTW Dart where did you manage to get hold of one, and what did you get with it ?
) so I see no reason it isn't possible, unless those crystal ball users are 100% sure it can't be detected by Nintendo I'm happy to just sit and watch what happens And it is a Gamecube, the security on it is nigh on identical (unless you count changing a password from uppercase to lowercase)
I would though say "slightly different" is a stretch
Oh and BTW Dart where did you manage to get hold of one, and what did you get with it ?
MorgyN
Wearing pants, reluctantly.
Those 360s were not bricked, what happened was the drives in question had been flashed back to a firmware that was older than the original for that drive (IE a previous iteration of the same line of drives)
Which was incompatible with the new kernel of the 360, a flash to a newer version fixed the problem in under 2 minutes.
BTW: You do realize you posted an N64 controller?
Which was incompatible with the new kernel of the 360, a flash to a newer version fixed the problem in under 2 minutes.
BTW: You do realize you posted an N64 controller?
I relation to that comment, I felt it relevant to show the controller the wii-mote was supposed to be slightly different from
And reading your bit about the 360 does that mean there firmware update messed up random 360's or it specifically targetted the modded ones ? The fact you can now get around the 360's security by simply inserting the right disc and nothing has to be done to the hardware is a different problem for MS and one I'm not sure they can fix, but detecting a new chip within the machine I kind of assume is within the realms of possibility especially when talking about machines that download updates from the manufacturer. The main issue is no-one can stop them in Oz and the fact the mod chip is legal there doesn't bode well for the manufacturers elsewhere.
I'd also guess that while the 360 issue could be fixed in under 2 minutes it took longer than that to find out the issue and how to resolve it ?
Wii modchips don't work on newer Wii's
Wonder how long it'll take to get around it
Wonder how long it'll take to get around it
MorgyN
Wearing pants, reluctantly.
The N64 controller is not the Gamecube controller, eitherway yes there are differences in the way they are used, inconvenient ones that involve you having to move the coffee table. Wait for the novelty to pass.
The firmware update caused drives that had been retrofitted with a previous iteration of firmware that wasn't intended for that drive to make the 360 red-ring. Flashing your drive back to the initial firmware you should have backed up (Yes you are told at every step to back up your firmware, as its keyed to your 360 and you can't replace the drive even if it becomes faulty without it.) fixed the problem instantly, so I'd say about 30 minutes to find and have the fix published on the internet.
Detecting a chip, that all it does is modify signals coming from another chip is way harder than you can possibly imagine, worst case you will have to remove the chip for new games, or add a toggle. There are 4 Wii chips out now, allready a 2nd gen that can be flashed from the dvd drive. So you'll just have to update your wii chip as the firmware is updated.
The way the Wii is hacked is nearly the same as the 360, with the attack vector being the data coming from the dvddrive, so realistically there is little chance of this ever being fixed. HOWEVER, the same again as the 360, there are subtle hardware changes between release revisions, and allready the dvddrive in the wii has had its chipset changed, so the latest wii's are unchippable. Currently. Give it 2 weeks.
http://www.teamcyclops.com/news.html
The firmware update caused drives that had been retrofitted with a previous iteration of firmware that wasn't intended for that drive to make the 360 red-ring. Flashing your drive back to the initial firmware you should have backed up (Yes you are told at every step to back up your firmware, as its keyed to your 360 and you can't replace the drive even if it becomes faulty without it.) fixed the problem instantly, so I'd say about 30 minutes to find and have the fix published on the internet.
Detecting a chip, that all it does is modify signals coming from another chip is way harder than you can possibly imagine, worst case you will have to remove the chip for new games, or add a toggle. There are 4 Wii chips out now, allready a 2nd gen that can be flashed from the dvd drive. So you'll just have to update your wii chip as the firmware is updated.
The way the Wii is hacked is nearly the same as the 360, with the attack vector being the data coming from the dvddrive, so realistically there is little chance of this ever being fixed. HOWEVER, the same again as the 360, there are subtle hardware changes between release revisions, and allready the dvddrive in the wii has had its chipset changed, so the latest wii's are unchippable. Currently. Give it 2 weeks.
http://www.teamcyclops.com/news.html
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Coffee table ? OMFG how could I have been so stupid, I'll be sure to buy one, move the sofa 2mm from the TV and glue my face to the TV like a "real" console gamer. I'll also stop watching "talky" movies as they are simply a gimmick and start pushing women in duck ponds to check if they are witches, for how it was done in the past shall forever be how it will be done.
As far as pirating goes knock yourself out, I'm sure it's a really easy and enjoyable process which console manufacterers will never defeat, I'd rather spend my time and energy elsewhere though, into things like wondering where to put the new coffee table we got
Right now back to pondering coffee table placement and wondering how my PC knows the video card is actually plugged in ....
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Just read the edit, "Attack Vector", that bit will have me smiling all day, nerds thinking they are fighter pilots
*thinks it will be quicker than 2 weeks but likes the idea of the manufacturers doing small tweaks like this every few months so the nerd can say "Attack Vectors" more often*
As far as pirating goes knock yourself out, I'm sure it's a really easy and enjoyable process which console manufacterers will never defeat, I'd rather spend my time and energy elsewhere though, into things like wondering where to put the new coffee table we got
Not really, I'm not the person trying to detect it, for those who do it's already proven as possible, else why would even the older chips have toggles in them ?
Right now back to pondering coffee table placement and wondering how my PC knows the video card is actually plugged in ....
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Just read the edit, "Attack Vector", that bit will have me smiling all day, nerds thinking they are fighter pilots
*thinks it will be quicker than 2 weeks but likes the idea of the manufacturers doing small tweaks like this every few months so the nerd can say "Attack Vectors" more often*
MorgyN
Wearing pants, reluctantly.
Way to overreact, are you going to bring up nazis next?
I'm sure people said the same thing about the virtual boy. Ahh the headaches are just you getting used to it...
MOST people play consoles in front of the tv, on the couch with their feet up on the coffee table, certainly not 2mm away from the screen.
I didn't say it was impossible, just harder than you can imagine.
Attack vector is a common security term, and applies to many more subjects as well. Its origin in security comes from biology, which uses it when defining viruses.
http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=949
The ignorant are easily amused.
I'm sure people said the same thing about the virtual boy. Ahh the headaches are just you getting used to it...
MOST people play consoles in front of the tv, on the couch with their feet up on the coffee table, certainly not 2mm away from the screen.
I didn't say it was impossible, just harder than you can imagine.
Attack vector is a common security term, and applies to many more subjects as well. Its origin in security comes from biology, which uses it when defining viruses.
http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=949
The ignorant are easily amused.
That's why I'm always so easily amused
As for over-reacting I think you are kinda reading into it rather more than my ignorant brain could possibly manage. It's not like I reported your post to a mod for bumping an old topic, that's the kinda stuff you do not me
"Attack Vectors" totally not nerds thinking they are sounding cool, nope, not a jot of it, simply a term coming from biology, which as we know goes hand in hand with mod chips for consoles hahahhaa
As for playing on the sofa with your feet up on the coffee table I'm glad you made that clear, I might not get a coffee table and instead get a more comfy foot rest, I think your sound advice got me dodging that bullet !
Oh, and I forgot to add, my brothers ordered his Wii from there Dart, hopes to get it for the weekend
As for over-reacting I think you are kinda reading into it rather more than my ignorant brain could possibly manage. It's not like I reported your post to a mod for bumping an old topic, that's the kinda stuff you do not me
"Attack Vectors"
totally not nerds thinking they are sounding cool, nope, not a jot of it, simply a term coming from biology, which as we know goes hand in hand with mod chips for consoles hahahhaaAs for playing on the sofa with your feet up on the coffee table I'm glad you made that clear, I might not get a coffee table and instead get a more comfy foot rest, I think your sound advice got me dodging that bullet !
Oh, and I forgot to add, my brothers ordered his Wii from there Dart, hopes to get it for the weekend