ENGLAND vs ISRAEL
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Ky
Stupid is as stupid does
I think it was clear that when the FA appointed McClown, it was all going to go west. Lets look at the facts:
1. Carragher on the left = no overlapping full back.
2. Lennon on the left = no left footed midfielder.
3. Gerrard on the right = no width on the right.
4. Phil Neville at right full back = clueless muppet who can't shut his mouth.
He should have played Gareth Barry @ left full back and stuck Lennon on the right, with Gerrard in central midfield. He could have played Downing on the left, although I don't rate him at all but at least we would have had balance down the flanks. Fat Frank needs dropping and has done for ages.
But also the players need to ask themselves some questions. World class? Not a chance.
We won't qualify and I think that will highlight the inherent problems in English football. There is a serious lack of talent coming through right now.
The U21 game v Italy was a cracker though.
1. Carragher on the left = no overlapping full back.
2. Lennon on the left = no left footed midfielder.
3. Gerrard on the right = no width on the right.
4. Phil Neville at right full back = clueless muppet who can't shut his mouth.
He should have played Gareth Barry @ left full back and stuck Lennon on the right, with Gerrard in central midfield. He could have played Downing on the left, although I don't rate him at all but at least we would have had balance down the flanks. Fat Frank needs dropping and has done for ages.
But also the players need to ask themselves some questions. World class? Not a chance.
We won't qualify and I think that will highlight the inherent problems in English football. There is a serious lack of talent coming through right now.
The U21 game v Italy was a cracker though.
Janie
Full Member
The interview I saw on MoTD conducted by Garth Crooks (I think) McClaren was in complete denial over what he'd seen. He seemed to not register the fact we'd been mostly rubbish for 90 minutes, he seemed to be bemused and said he 'can't believe we hadn't scored, given how many chances we'd created' (he was playing the unlucky card). We had alot of the ball but only really created about 4 decent chances, which isn't good enough given the territory we had.
I think it's time the players stood up and acted, if they aren't happy under him Terry, Gerrard & G. Neville (the 3 captains of Englands biggest teams) should come out and make a statement about McClaren not being the man to lead them. If they are happy under him, then start bloody playing better.
I think it's time the players stood up and acted, if they aren't happy under him Terry, Gerrard & G. Neville (the 3 captains of Englands biggest teams) should come out and make a statement about McClaren not being the man to lead them. If they are happy under him, then start bloody playing better.
Treebeard
Ranger of the North
McClaren has clearly gone into the job with the mindset that however we play, we were good and everyone else must be mad. He did the same thing a couple of games ago when we were pig awful. Maybe he thinks we'll all start believing it if he says it enough.
I can understand it with all the flack the job gets but he is taking it a bit too far and its unlikely we are going to improve in light of his attitude.
Do we really not have enough talent? Rooney, Lennon, Richards, Defoe, Robinson, Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, Hargreaves. Most of those still to reach their peak. Need a rocket up their arse is what they need.
I can understand it with all the flack the job gets but he is taking it a bit too far and its unlikely we are going to improve in light of his attitude.
Do we really not have enough talent? Rooney, Lennon, Richards, Defoe, Robinson, Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, Hargreaves. Most of those still to reach their peak. Need a rocket up their arse is what they need.
Flight
Full Member
Good article here, which I agree with.
England will never make major progress while they continue to use Fat Frank and then shoe in other players around him.
Quote :
"So something has to be changed. Someone has to get the chop, and it can only be one man -- Frank Lampard has to go. He is a good player for Chelsea but has never set the international scene alight. He is the most over-rated player in world football today and he is a major obstacle in England's quest for glory.
All these media stories about Europe's top clubs chasing Lampard's signature are just that....stories. The likes of Barcelona know he won't move from Chelsea and they don't want him. A player with Frank's ability would add nothing to their team; he simply is not up to that standard of football, he looks good at Chelsea simply because he is surrounded by great players."
England will never make major progress while they continue to use Fat Frank and then shoe in other players around him.
Quote :
"So something has to be changed. Someone has to get the chop, and it can only be one man -- Frank Lampard has to go. He is a good player for Chelsea but has never set the international scene alight. He is the most over-rated player in world football today and he is a major obstacle in England's quest for glory.
All these media stories about Europe's top clubs chasing Lampard's signature are just that....stories. The likes of Barcelona know he won't move from Chelsea and they don't want him. A player with Frank's ability would add nothing to their team; he simply is not up to that standard of football, he looks good at Chelsea simply because he is surrounded by great players."
Janie
Full Member
Was that written by Gerrards Dad by any chance 
Gerrard one of the better players in that last match, he's got to be joking!
What about Rooney, he's been awful for England for ages. Lampards got a better strike rate than Rooney!
We need a player like Scholes again, neither Gerrard or Lampard can fill the void he's left, because neither are good enough at those quick pass Scholes made around the box.
Gerrard one of the better players in that last match, he's got to be joking!What about Rooney, he's been awful for England for ages. Lampards got a better strike rate than Rooney!
We need a player like Scholes again, neither Gerrard or Lampard can fill the void he's left, because neither are good enough at those quick pass Scholes made around the box.
Treebeard
Ranger of the North
To be fair mate they've all been poor for a long time now. I can understand Gerrard being unsettled due to Lampard but not some of the others. Even then its up to him to make the extra effort or talk to McClaren about it.
Chick
Cartwheel RIGHT
Vightan
Chelski Scum
Its unfair to blame one player however average he has been. Gerrard has been no better and is becoming a John Barnes who was world class for club but never quite made it at international level.
Rooney is our star but does very little the way the manager sets the team out, and its not a surprise he has not scored as we don't create anything worthy of being called a chance.
Its amazing that we can't find any decent English forwards to play with Rooney, without Owen we look pants up front. Someone of the radio said this morning that we only a couple of English forwards with more than 10 goals (i have not checked this stat) in the premiership, so why not try Nugent who is on form and scoring!
Surprisingly considering the individual pace of some players as a team we have no pace! when we go forward its so slow and predictable.
As for Maclaren... i suspected it was a mistake, all the talk of a new era and dropping Becks THEN he ignores Barry and brings back PHIL NEVILLE!!! ffs he was only average when he was at united!
Rooney is our star but does very little the way the manager sets the team out, and its not a surprise he has not scored as we don't create anything worthy of being called a chance.
Its amazing that we can't find any decent English forwards to play with Rooney, without Owen we look pants up front. Someone of the radio said this morning that we only a couple of English forwards with more than 10 goals (i have not checked this stat) in the premiership, so why not try Nugent who is on form and scoring!
Surprisingly considering the individual pace of some players as a team we have no pace! when we go forward its so slow and predictable.
As for Maclaren... i suspected it was a mistake, all the talk of a new era and dropping Becks THEN he ignores Barry and brings back PHIL NEVILLE!!! ffs he was only average when he was at united!
Ky
Stupid is as stupid does
McClown was always going to be a mistake. The FA fucked up (what a surprise!) by going after Big Phil just before a major tournament. They should have waited till afterwards. Muppets.
Sad thing is, we will beat Andorra and the leather toothed ginger tosspot will get another stay of execution. He already has the worst record of ANY England Manager.
Sad thing is, we will beat Andorra and the leather toothed ginger tosspot will get another stay of execution. He already has the worst record of ANY England Manager.
Flight
Full Member
As an aside, it was my wifes birthday yesterday. I cooked her fresh lobster, scallops and salmon.
I wasn't careful enough cutting up the chili peppers, now I can't for the life of me scrub them off my hands, even having clipped my nails to the quick. With the amount of scratching blokes do, every orifice in my body is periodically burning. True story
I wasn't careful enough cutting up the chili peppers, now I can't for the life of me scrub them off my hands, even having clipped my nails to the quick. With the amount of scratching blokes do, every orifice in my body is periodically burning. True story
Janie
Full Member
Sounds like a rubbish back 4 lineup from the 70's.
Flight
Full Member
The fiver still happy to stick the knife in :
TO BE HONEST, WE'VE PHONED THIS ONE IN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE ANYBODY CARES ABOUT THE SHAMBLES THAT IS ENGLAND ANY MORE
Why everyone has suddenly started taking pops at Second-Choice Steve is beyond us. He might be a clown who's winging it and should never be allowed near Soho Square to hose down the folk sipping al fresco Tin on the green, never mind go into one of the buildings, sit at a big desk and pick a national football squad using a blindfold and a pin, but we knew all that when McCoco took over. Anyway, according to this morning's papers, the "deluded" eejit was due to be summoned to a pointless meeting with the FA, to face the gaggle of clueless galoots who gave the jester the job in the first place.
In it, McClaren would be required to tell the clueless galoots what the hell he's effing well up to - why he doesn't have the balls to drop Frank Lampard, why England are worse than Scotland for goodness sake, etc - without resorting to either his usual interview technique of grinning inanely like Ralph Wiggum ("Saturday's fun game was fun!") or the use of custard pies, funny flowers or long shoes.
Sadly for the four of you out there who still care passionately about England, that showdown didn't happen, and everything's much as it was. "It is very disappointing to see reports today that we have or will 'summon' [Second-Choice Steve] to explain himself to the International Committee," said a statement from the galoots. "At a time when we are giving our full support to Steve and the England team ahead of tomorrow night's game with Andorra, these stories are very unhelpful."
Meanwhile John Terry and Steven Gerrard held a press conference this afternoon. The main points of interest were as follows:
TO BE HONEST, WE'VE PHONED THIS ONE IN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE ANYBODY CARES ABOUT THE SHAMBLES THAT IS ENGLAND ANY MORE
Why everyone has suddenly started taking pops at Second-Choice Steve is beyond us. He might be a clown who's winging it and should never be allowed near Soho Square to hose down the folk sipping al fresco Tin on the green, never mind go into one of the buildings, sit at a big desk and pick a national football squad using a blindfold and a pin, but we knew all that when McCoco took over. Anyway, according to this morning's papers, the "deluded" eejit was due to be summoned to a pointless meeting with the FA, to face the gaggle of clueless galoots who gave the jester the job in the first place.
In it, McClaren would be required to tell the clueless galoots what the hell he's effing well up to - why he doesn't have the balls to drop Frank Lampard, why England are worse than Scotland for goodness sake, etc - without resorting to either his usual interview technique of grinning inanely like Ralph Wiggum ("Saturday's fun game was fun!") or the use of custard pies, funny flowers or long shoes.
Sadly for the four of you out there who still care passionately about England, that showdown didn't happen, and everything's much as it was. "It is very disappointing to see reports today that we have or will 'summon' [Second-Choice Steve] to explain himself to the International Committee," said a statement from the galoots. "At a time when we are giving our full support to Steve and the England team ahead of tomorrow night's game with Andorra, these stories are very unhelpful."
Meanwhile John Terry and Steven Gerrard held a press conference this afternoon. The main points of interest were as follows:
