ENGLAND vs ISRAEL

Treebeard

Ranger of the North
I thought the boys showed a lot of character coming out for that second half and giving it a go. I didn't think any of them didn't care, for whatever reason (McClaren) its not happening. The second half papered over the cracks though and we were saved by Gerrard.

I thought the fans were pretty disgraceful. If you are going to go and support your team support them whatever. I know it must be frustrating to travel there and watch that first half but it was almost as though our fans were just waiting to start the booing and the chanting.
 

Galias

\o/
*nods* First half was awful, bad lofted high balls that no one could get on to, lots of passing backwards and generally NO ambition whatsoever.

Second half was much better, we were creating things, the crosses etc. were much lower and more dangerous and they just generally looked like they were trying which they didn't before.

Even without the goals I would've been a lot happier with the 2nd half performance. I shouted myself hoarse during the first half having a go at them, there was such a transformation in the second half the first time I shouted was when Gerrard buried the first goal!
 

Flight

Full Member
Injury used as smokescreen for Lampard�s omission by England
Matt Dickinson, Chief Football Correspondent, in Barcelona
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle1582556.ece

Frank Lampard was so upset about being dropped from the England team that faced Andorra in Barcelona last night that he considered flying home to London. Although the Chelsea midfield player is carrying an injury, he had not expected to be left out for the first time in more than three years.

While representatives of Lampard and Steve McClaren, the England head coach, claimed that his omission was because of damage to his wrist, sources inside the camp confirmed that he was left out to make room for Steven Gerrard to play in the centre of midfield.

Lampard had told the coaches that he was desperate to play even though he was suffering pain from his fractured wrist and was ready to run out against Andorra wearing a cast on his arm. He was crushed when McClaren pulled him aside yesterday morning and told him that he would not be facing Andorra so that Gerrard could move into the middle and Stewart Downing could come in on the left wing.

It was agreed that all public statements would refer to the injury, but Lampard is expected to be available to face Watford at Vicarage Road on Saturday. The reluctance to say that Lampard had been dropped could invite further criticism for McClaren given longstanding concerns that senior players are being treated too softly.

Lampard was certainly injured when he was struck by Wayne Rooney�s shot in training on Monday. Sources close to the player claimed that attempts to fly him home yesterday afternoon, including by private jet, were so that he could hasten his recovery in England, but he is known to have been rocked by the omission. No flights were available and Lampard took his place in the stands at the Olympic Stadium.

He turned up for the team meeting yesterday morning uncertain about his position but not knowing that he was about to be dropped. Once the team was named, he went along to training with the rest of the squad, but sat on the side-lines throughout.

Sources close to Lampard claimed that he was unhappy not to have been told before the day of the game that he was being left out. Earlier this week he was infuriated simply by the suggestion that he should stand down so that McClaren could try a different strategy.

Lampard has become sensitive to criticism since the World Cup finals last summer when, after England�s exit, he rounded on journalists and accused them of picking on him. It is not clear what reasons McClaren gave for leaving him out, but it is known that coach and player had three private meetings yesterday. The Football Association issued a statement last night insisting that Lampard�s absence was because an examination yesterday had found his wrist �very swollen and uncomfortable�. The governing body claimed that it did not want �to risk making the injury worse� and that there had been dialogue through the day with Jos� Mourinho, the Chelsea manager.

The saga added another twist to last night�s match, what should have been one of the least newsworthy fixtures of England�s Euro 2008 qualifying campaign. With McClaren under huge pressure, with his team faltering in group E, only a comfortable victory would give him respite from criticism.

There had even been prematch talk among supporters that they would give the team only 15 minutes to score before turning on them. They jeered the national team off after the goalless draw against Israel in Tel Aviv on Saturday which, coming on the back of the goalless draw against the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and the 2-0 defeat to Croatia in competitive fixtures, had left McClaren only one more bad result away from possible dismissal.
 

Flight

Full Member
We need a player like Scholes again, neither Gerrard or Lampard can fill the void he's left, because neither are good enough at those quick pass Scholes made around the box.

Like Gerrards second goal last night ?


Everyone in the country has been crying out for that midfield four last night, with Joe Cole on the left, when he is fit. They still looked bloody awful in the first half, which makes you think McClaren gives the same team talks as SGE used to - ie go out play the game and enjoy your football (seriously). But then McClaren was taking all the training then, so why think anything would change.
 

Vightan

Chelski Scum
In the first half we played with all the players in their correct positions but we just never got the ball wide, fast and therfore making the most of having wingers! Gerrard kept turning infield and im not sure where Hardreaves was. On top of that our passing was sooooo slow and 3/4 touch football.

Second half the passing was crisper and we played 1/2 touch and although we werent alot better we did leave the Andorrans watching. Lennon looked dangerous every time he got the ball, only that was rare.

To sum up, it was a terrible night, yes we got the result but i feel although we seem to think we have the right to win every major competetion (i however do not) we should be making easy work of these sides AND play decent footy.
 

Galias

\o/
Everyone in the country has been crying out for that midfield four last night, with Joe Cole on the left, when he is fit.

Not everyone by any means. Give me Barry on the left, Lennon on the right, StevieG playing in front of the defence in the Mak�l�l� role with the remit to bomb forward where possible and then play Rooneh just off of the strikers (like he plays at ManYoo). Yes I know it's a diamond but I really think those 4 can make it work and do well with it! I'm not alone in that sentiment either.
 
Last edited:

Ky

Stupid is as stupid does
I agree with Tree RE: the fans except I would go even further - they made me embarrassed to be English. They shouldn't be let back in the country, the bunch of horrible cunts.

Yes, McClaren isn't very good but NO ONE deserves that kind of abuse. Its bullying of the highest order.

Utter wankers.

Galias mate, we need width and to move the ball at pace, not tit around with a sodding diamond :)
 

Galias

\o/
I thing we'd get width and movement with those 4 :p

Speaking of titting around, I'm off to see joor lot play 'Boro at the weekend, hope it is beter than the display I saw them put in against Wigan!
 

Flight

Full Member
You have to admit, it was comedy gold when the crowd could clearly be heard chanting :

'Steve mcClaren, he's a w***er, he's a w***er'
'Steve mcClaren, he's a w***er, he's a w***er'

And the commentator said, 'McClarens named revereberating around the stadium, the crowd isn't happy'. :D
 

Galias

\o/
Best comment was when Robinson lumped it in the second half. All the crowd were shouting "Shoot" when he had it in his hands, he lumped it all the way to their keeper which got an "Oooooh!" from the crowd followed by Platt on the commentary saying "Depending on who is counting that may go down as an attempt on goal!"
:lol:
 

Flight

Full Member
Best comment was when Robinson lumped it in the second half. All the crowd were shouting "Shoot" when he had it in his hands, he lumped it all the way to their keeper which got an "Oooooh!" from the crowd followed by Platt on the commentary saying "Depending on who is counting that may go down as an attempt on goal!"
:lol:

rofl


Speaking of clowns, theres a few funny Mancs out there. :rolleyes:

Made me laff, I have to admit.

Us at Greyskull
 

Treebeard

Ranger of the North
I agree with Tree RE: the fans except I would go even further - they made me embarrassed to be English. They shouldn't be let back in the country, the bunch of horrible cunts.

Yes, McClaren isn't very good but NO ONE deserves that kind of abuse. Its bullying of the highest order.

Utter wankers.

Galias mate, we need width and to move the ball at pace, not tit around with a sodding diamond :)

Aye mate felt pretty ashamed tbh McClaren or not.
 

Janie

Full Member
It's 0-0 with one of the worst team in international football, your team have played woeful for 45 minutes and been rubbish for the past 5 or so games, you've spend a hell of a lot of your hard owned cash on the travel and ticket. You no what I think they had a right to sing or shout whatever they liked.
 

MarkS

Full Member
I agree.

Also Hitler was justified going into Poland as he'd had quite a shitty day by all accounts :D
 

Janie

Full Member
Also Hitler was justified going into Poland as he'd had quite a shitty day by all accounts :D

That'll teach the Poles for shouting

'Adolf Hitler, he's a w***er, he's a w***er'
'Adolf Hilter, he's a w***er, he's a w***er'

NO-ONE deserves that kind of abuse, Its bullying of the highest order. Adolf proved you have to standup to Bullys.
 

Ky

Stupid is as stupid does
It's 0-0 with one of the worst team in international football, your team have played woeful for 45 minutes and been rubbish for the past 5 or so games, you've spend a hell of a lot of your hard owned cash on the travel and ticket. You no what I think they had a right to sing or shout whatever they liked.

Yeah, name calling, that's where its at. Justified by the fact a bunch of thugs managed to rob the money to go to a game where they knew England would struggle.

Give me one example of where England have played a "lesser" footballing nation and stuffed them? We always play below par against the minnows.

Glad to see your view is as small minded as the morons with the shaved heads and tattoos.
 

Janie

Full Member
LOL.

You sit there lauding it over McClaren on this forum, nothing but name calling and dismissing his credentails, yet when the fans who bother to actually follow England and pay for it do the very same thing they are small minded idiots who look like Mark. At least they did it to his face :p

YES!

We should write and perform a musical, to show the REAL Hitler.

Hilter with your rhyme stick!
 
Last edited:

Ky

Stupid is as stupid does
Huge difference to expressing an opinion on a private forum (and I can see nowhere on this thread that I have used personal abuse against McClaren and I think his credentials are there for all to see and comment on) to actually shouting abuse to the person himself - even worse is the mob mentality. How would you like 16,000 people shouting "GINGOR BITCH" at you?

You wouldn't. End of story. Its bullying of the worst kind.
 
Top