40K again

[Cuthrose]

Well it looks like i will be playing small 40K games in manchester next year, 500pts and i am going for Spacemarines, I suspect i will be fighting Nids,Eldar and IG.

1st
HQ: Labrian plus Fimalir = 110
Troops: 2 6 men Tactical Marines 192
both sqs: Sergant has CC weapons, 4* Bolters and 1 flamer


Fast Attack: 3 Landspeeder with MM = 195

2nd

HQ Chaplin with Jump pack and Melta bombs 120
fast attack: 5 Assult marines (being lead by HQ) 110
Troop: 2* 6 Marines, Srg with CC 4 bolters, one sq with Flamer the other with Plasma.
Razor back for 1 sqs transport 70

any advice if they are any good? frist time i have tryed making an army you see.....

 

[Zed]

first up, tactical squads are 5 or 10 man units. you cannot do 6 of them. one is usually a sergeant the rest normal troops.

i need to look at the other pc (have army builder on it) and ill put a force together. but if your fighting against nids watch out for. be good to know what models you actually have access to.

HQ - broodlord + retinue
troops: 4 X 6 genestealers with scuttle.

since they pretty much can all infiltrate and will rip a marine a new ass if they get into combat your going to be in serious trouble. Im putting both a marine and a nids 500pt force together for a january small cities of death tournament so ill havesome ideas to post for you.

right now just starting on my dark angels marines force. already i have the rhino, land raider, deathwing, ravenwing, 4 10 man tactical squads, 2 devastator squads, 1 scouts with snipers, 1 assault scouts put together. that doesnt include the blackreach set i got for xmas... hehehe

 

[Cuthrose]

Got no models yet..so its free reign. I suspect nid will kill all hence why I have my 3 land speeders with multi metelters.....are you sure that it 5 or 10? Everywhere I read it alwys says squads of 6 or rather even numbers...oh which army bluider you using? Wondering if its free!

 

[Zeus]

i use the one at
http://www.wolflair.com/index.php?context=army_builder
think you can use it free, but a licence doesnt exactly cost much - and its well worth it compared to doing these things by hand, imo!

 

[Zed]

yup i use the same. restricted to 3 units in demo but its only around �25. if your a wargamer its worth it (supports more then just 40K)

 

[Readon]

Nids are going to change a lot with the new codex in January, there are some very nasty new choices available in the codex but also some big changes to balance them out. To many to list here, if you want more info (for your own force or to just know your enemy) check out bell of lost souls, they have even started putting together lists based on the information from the leaked german copy of the codex. Though it still looks like the flamer will be your friend for bug squishing. But watch out for bugs using drop pods now

I've been trying to decide on which army to try out next and it was between Dark Angels (one of the few marine forces not seen in the group up here) demons and Grey Knights... so far i've just dabbled with Demons and Greys Knights, got a few models for each of those forces done, but with the volume of metal over plastic for each force it's slow going and i'm still not sure which one i'll settle on. I'll probably have a better idea once i've got enough painted up to run a few combat patrol games with each.

 

[Zeus]

yeah the new nids stuff looks interesting. not a chance of me collecting nids though - 2 of the folks i play with have nid armies already, a 3rd would be a bit silly

 

[Zed]

So heres a pretty basic Marine army. Now, my marine knowledge is based on Dark angels so you can indeed have upto 10, min 5 tactical squads but can only get the flamer etc if you have 10 men in the squad. So it seems worth doing. also the Razorback can only carry 6 men so no good for 10 man tactical squads.

500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

1 Space Marine Captain @ 100 pts (...in Power Armour)
. . 1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Chainsword)

9 Tactical Squad @ 205 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
. . 1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

9 Tactical Squad @ 170 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Flamer; Missile Launcher)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

Validation Report:
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Total Roster Cost: 475

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[Zed]

im waiting on the codex and definately need to add the Trigon. I understand you have have a unit of 3 carnifex (armed the same)

Muwhahahahah that magentized one was worth it

 

[Zed]

A second choice This gives you a squad of scouts with sniper rifles and the Devastator squad. You have a lot of heavy weapons fire and some rending and what not. Its an interesting idea and with the smaller tactical squad you have a razorback, though id be tempted to assign the devastators to the razorback.

500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

1 Space Marine Librarian @ 100 pts (...in Power Armour; Smite; Vortex of Doom)
. . 1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Psychic Hood; Bolt Pistol; Force Weapon)

4 Scout Squad @ 75 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Sniper Rifle x4)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol; Sniper Rifle)

4 Tactical Squad @ 145 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon)
. . 1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

4 Devastator Squad @ 175 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Heavy Bolter x1; Lascannon x1; Missile Launcher x1; Multi-Melta x1)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Chainsword)

Validation Report:
c-1. File Version: 1.05c For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Codex Chapter
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 495

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[Zed]

a 3rd choice. Totally mechanised but disgorges two small tactical squads. you have zero templated weapons but a lot of speed here

500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

4 Tactical Squad @ 145 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon)
. . 1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

1 Space Marine Chaplain @ 135 pts (...in Power Armour)
. . 1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Rosarius; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Crozius Arcanum)

4 Tactical Squad @ 130 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
. . 1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

2 Space Marine Bike Squad @ 90 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x2)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol)

Validation Report:
c-1. File Version: 1.05c For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Codex Chapter
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 500

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[Zed]

last but not least

500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

5 Tactical Squad @ 121 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x5)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon)

5 Tactical Squad @ 106 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x5)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

1 Space Marine Chapter Master @ 125 pts (...in Power Armour)
. . 1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Chainsword)

1 Dreadnought @ 145 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon; Missile Launcher)

Validation Report:
c-1. File Version: 1.05c For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Codex Chapter
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 497

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[Readon]

Trygon looks really nice, especially the part where other units can enter play through the tunnel he leaves behind. Another one people are raving about is the tervigon, you can take one as a troop choice for ever termigant squad you take, it spawns 3d6 gants every turn until a double or triple is rolled at which point it stops for the rest of the game (you still get the number you rolled though).

The following was posted earlier today on BOLS/Warseer from what appears to be a reliable source... take with a pinch of salt though.


"Yesterday I got to look at some of the new WIP items for 2010 and beyond. A lot of it is already out there, (Ork Dreads). Some of it has been seen. I got permission to mention some of the items, but not a lot of specifics or specific release details.

* New GK Terminators 3ups (5 poses, 1 HQ/leader)
* New Daemonhunter/Witchhunter concept art
* New DH/WH vehicles/support
* New Ork dreads
* New Marine models for a specific chapter
* New SM concept art
* New DE models (these are sweet, and I'm not a DE lover)
* New DE concept art
* New Guard tanks/artillery
* New Necron MC sized model
* New Necron concept art
* New Ork vehicles
* New 40k concept art and 3ups tied to a future Codex release
* A lot of the Missions book tie in releases

Obviously a lot of this just strengthens rumors that are already out there. And some of it looks very rough, as in 3ups with lots of notes for changes.

I'm struggling to hold back and just dump specifics. There is one model in particular I want to talk about, but am unable, but you all will find that out soon anyhow, it's part of the Missions release, so news will spill out in due course."


The new Dark Eldar sound a little tempting... a whole new range/codex to play with is always fun.

 

[Zed]

The problem you have is this:

You need to field 1 X Hq and 2 X troops to be a valid army. At 500 points your HQ is 1/5th of that value, the two tactical squads if left as 5 men each are another 180 points. This leaves you with only 220 points to spend on 'free stuff'. Its 180 points to get a 10 man tac squad which you can add the flamer and say a missile launcher to.

at 500 points you cannot legally field a Land raider :-(

Damn

 

[Zed]

Ive shelved my Nids for the moment and am working on a Dark angels army. After a black reach set and about �100 on ebay i think i have 2500 - 3000 points of angels to field. (including 4 dreadnoughts which is technically undoable outside of Apocalype im guessing)


heres on i have been working on. And yes, in the background is my Land raider

 

[Readon]

How about 2x scout squads, that only comes to 150 points, that should save the 30 points for the land raider but you'll lose your surviable marine armour saves... though not sure if my math is correct as i don't have the codex at hand.

 

[Zed]

Spot on, you mean this:

500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

1 Space Marine Captain @ 100 pts (...in Power Armour)
. . 1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Chainsword)

4 Scout Squad @ 75 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

4 Scout Squad @ 75 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4)
. . 1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

1 Land Raider @ 250 pts (Power of the Machine Spirit; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2)

Validation Report:
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Total Roster Cost: 500

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But, what actual use is this to you i have to ask. A well placed Genestealer strike could take out the Land raider

That said it would be an interesting advance party for clearing a ruined city block.

 

[Zed]

so id be feilding this: (obviously going to be illegal i believe from Jan 18th )

500 Pts - Tyranids Roster

1 Broodlord @ 150 pts (Rending Claws; Scything Talons; Synapse Creature)
. . 5 Genestealers (Rending Claws)

6 Genestealers @ 120 pts (Feeder Tendrils; Scuttlers; Rending Claws)

6 Genestealers @ 114 pts (Scuttlers; Rending Claws)

6 Genestealers @ 114 pts (Scuttlers; Rending Claws)

Validation Report:
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Total Roster Cost: 498

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[Readon]

Thats the one i was thinking of, lacking in marine strength though, but you got a landraider to scare the pants off your opponent.

For you stelaler list, I don't know the point costs yet but you'll be able to add a broodlord (like a sergeant) in each squad of genestealers in the new codex apparently, he loses the power weapon effect as well as the eternal warrior bonus but gains psychic powers. Unfortunetly stealers have lost feeder tendrils and the scything talons no longer give +1 attack (allow you to reroll any 1's now).

 

[Zeus]

and even if it doesnt, your land raider wont have any suitable targets really.

i love baal predators for taking down 'stealers. no blast weapons, but so many shots! (4*twin linked str 6 (w/rending so you can hurt bigger things too), 6*str 5, 2*str 4. and wiht all but those last 2, anything less armoured than a marine wont get a save.). on open ground you can take out a squad of stealers in a single turn without much trouble. not bad for 135 points.
...but thats blood angels for you.

and talking of blood angels, i'm hoping that "New Marine models for a specific chapter" refers to the new blood angels codex and models thats been rumored

incidently, i can't really do a decent bloodangels army for 500 points by the time you've got 125 points in for lemartes, and 280 for 2 basic assault squads, and 10 points for a pair of jump packs... you have 85 points left - and no means to take out vehicles at all

suppose something like:
lemartes (3W chaplain w/ jump pack) (125)
2x tactical squad w/ plasma gun (130 each)
Furioso Dreadnaught w/ Flamer (105)
2x death company marines w/ jump packs (10 points)

got the chaplain and his marines to jump forwards, and be bloody tough against anything but anti-tank fire. got the tacticals to secure objectives and provide a bit of anti-infantry and light vehicle fire. got the dreadnaught for being tough and deadly at close range.

few things i dont like about this army though - tactical squads rather than assault squads for one thing. the other thing is not giving the dreadnaught its upgrades (death company dreadnaught to give it more attacks, extra armour so it can keep moving if stunned, and venerable so i can force people to reroll their damage roll), but they cost a total of 60 points.
i might be tempted in fact to take a speeder instead of the dread, and give it a multimelta and assault cannon... mmm...

...sorry, i realise you wernt really asking about blood angels, but they're what i know best